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In this episode with Rebecca Sandefur, we talk about why people rarely turn to lawyers or courts for assistance with their problems, how to properly educate civilians on obtaining legal help, and what role small and solo firm lawyers play in the solution.If today’s podcast resonates with you and you haven’t read The Small Firm Roadmap yet, get the first chapter right now for free!

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Sam Glover

Sam Glover is the founder of lawyerist.com. He is the co-author of the bestselling book The Small Firm Roadmap and original host of the weekly Lawyerist Podcast.

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Aaron Street is the co-founder and CEO of dashboard.lawyerist.com, the largest online community of solo and small firm lawyers. He is the co-author of the bestselling book The Small Firm Roadmap and is the co-host of the weekly Lawyerist Podcast.

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Rebecca Sandefur

Rebecca L. Sandefur is Professor in the Sanford School of Social and Family Dynamics and (by courtesy) in the Sandra Day O’Conner College of Law at Arizona State University. In addition to her appointment at ASU, Sandefur is Faculty Fellow at the American Bar Foundation, where she founded the Access to Justice Research Initiative.  

Sandefur investigates access to civil justice from every angle — from how legal services are delivered and consumed, to how civil legal aid is organized around the nation, to the role of pro bono, to the relative efficacy of lawyers, nonlawyers and digital tools as advisers and representatives, to how ordinary people think about their justice problems and try to resolve them.

Her current public service includes her appointment by the Supreme Court of Arizona to the Arizona Commission on Access to Justice.   She is co-founder, with Matthew Burnett, of Frontline Justice.

In 2013, Sandefur was The Hague Visiting Chair in the Rule of Law. In 2015, she was named Champion of Justice by the National Center for Access to Justice. In 2018, she was named a MacArthur Fellow for her work on inequality and access to justice. In 2020, she was awarded the Warren E. Burger Award by the National Center for State Courts. In 2024, she was elected to the Sociological Research Association, an honor society of sociological scholars.

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Last updated June 28th, 2022