In this episode, Curo Legal founder Chad Burton explains how (and why) he ditched his computer for an iPad Pro, and then ditched his iPad Pro for his iPhone. And the thing is, you might be able to do it, too.
Chad Burton is a former litigator who developed one of the nation’s first “new model” law firms, leveraging cloud-based technology and modern business practices to develop a lean virtual law firm. He also has an unhealthy obsession with experimenting with the latest legal and productivity technologies. If there’s a possibility it can be leveraged to better practice and serve clients, chances are he’s tested it out and annoyed the rest of the team about it.
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Voiceover: Welcome to The Lawyerist Podcast with Sam Glover and Aaron Street. Each week, Lawyerist brings you advice and interviews to help you build a more successful law practice in today’s challenging and constantly changing legal market. And now, here are Sam and Aaron.
Sam Glover: Hi, I’m Sam Glover.
Aaron Street: And I’m Aaron Street and this is episode 112 of The Lawyerist Podcast, part of the Legal Talk Network. Today we are talking with Chad Burton about how to ditch your computer and do everything from your smartphone.
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So today’s podcast is about going without a computer and doing everything from your smartphone and Aaron, you and I have been experimenting with similar things but not quite so extreme as Chad and we’ve done it for some time. Now, I should say at the outside, both of us actually still use computers like as far as I can tell, Chad’s workspace at home is literally setting his iPhone on his standing desk or something.
Aaron Street: Yeah, although I did just take a picture of you two days ago, with a keyboard and an iPad as though that were your office set up.
Sam Glover: Yep.
Aaron Street: So maybe Chad has inspired you.
Sam Glover: Well, when I’m traveling.
Aaron Street: And I have to say that, saying that Chad Burton inspires us is going to make his ego actually explode.
Sam Glover: That’s all right I love Chad, I’m happy to pat his ego a little bit. I mean, when I’m traveling I find that I really just don’t want to carry stuff and even my MacBook Pro, it’s a 13 inch, I think it weighs like three pounds, but it’s a lot of weight to add to my backpack or my shoulder bag and I just don’t want it. So I’ve been trying to reduce and so what I did, we just got back from TECHSHOW, which was a lot of fun and crazy and all I brought was my iPhone and my iPad mini and I brought my Apple Magic Keyboard to type on with it and I didn’t do a ton of typing but when I did it worked great.
Aaron Street: Yeah and so I think there’s certainly a distinction between, kind of minimizing your tech set up when your traveling and at TECHSHOW I mostly just used my phone and paper. But Chad right now is only using a smartphone, ever. And I think, as we’ll get into, in the interview with him, I think the distinction between what he’s doing and what I would be able to do is that Chad was brought up kind of at the tail end of the dictation era and so he’s used to writing with his voice, which is how he uses his smartphone often to compose things so he’ll use Siri and voice dictation to write things and I’ve never been a voice dictation person.
Sam Glover: No.
Aaron Street: So I can’t get my head around that, so I type with my thumbs. And therefore, I can do a ton of shit with my iPhone but I’m not gonna write things with it at this point.
Sam Glover: Although I did plug my Apple Magic Keyboard in, not plug, I hooked it up to my iPhone via Bluetooth and although it’s a little bit weird to be typing with a full sized keyboard on an iPhone, that keyboard is so light and thin that it works, if I need it to.
Aaron Street: I think you should be one of those people who gets one of those like rubbery roll up keyboards and you could just stuff that in your pocket and you could be iPhone only too and just squint at the screen.
Sam Glover: I mean, I don’t want to use a keyboard just to use a keyboard if it sucks, those look like they probably suck to type on. I don’t know I’m into that.
Aaron Street: All right.
Sam Glover: I’m more likely to get like a big, two-inch thick mechanical keyboard that has Bluetooth and haul that around in my bag.
Aaron Street: Just have it on your lap on the bus?
Sam Glover: Yeah, clacking away.
Aaron Street: Once I get some Apple AirPod ear buds I’ll—
Sam Glover: There you go.
Aaron Street: I’ll see if I can write through my ear holes.
Sam Glover: No you’re right, Chad is a dictator. Potentially that is his staff are gonna recognize that too, but I meant with his phone and yet that does make a huge difference. It also means he walks around like a crazy person all the time talking out loud to people and to his phone and to Siri and so I guess if that’s your thing.
Aaron Street: So I’m gonna be really curious to see how many people listen to this episode, hearing Chad’s cutting edge techniques for productivity and try to adopt an iPhone-only tech package.
Sam Glover: Heres what I’ll ask, like some of you who are hearing this and going God wouldn’t it be great if I could get by with my iPhone, like do it for three days. Force yourself to use only your iPhone for three days then report back. Send us an email at email@example.com and tell us how it went. Pick days when you’re not gonna be in trouble if it doesn’t work I guess. But, try it for three days and see if you can do it and let us know how it goes. So with that in mind, I can’t wait to hear and we’ll talk about them on a future episode if we get any feedback but now that we’ve said all that let’s hear from Chad and hear how he does it.
Chad Burton: Hi, Chad Burton. I am the CEO of CuroLegal. We primarily develop software for the label industry, mostly bar associations, law firms, and legal aid organizations and along with that, but a part of our business is doing tech consulting for law firms.
Sam Glover: Okay so that’s interesting, so you and I have talked about—
Chad Burton: I knew this was coming, I knew it.
Sam Glover: No, cause we’ve talked about what does CuroLegal actually do,
Chad Burton: Yep.
Sam Glover: And initially I was critical of you for not explaining it well and then you came up with a really good explanation the last time we had you on the podcast and I totally get it, but now your business model is changing so now your customer base is more sort of the legal industry organizations like bar associations instead of individual lawyers.
Chad Burton: That’s true, yeah I looked, actually before this I couldn’t remember how long ago it was, it was last March, so it’s almost been a year and yes, so we’ve seen a lot of evolutions since then and yeah we’re really trying to tackle issues that are broader for the profession and while there’s obviously important and individual law firms or organizations but we’re really trying to go at bigger picture issues. So that’s where the tech development, especially with the bar association has come in.
Sam Glover: And I guess the most highest profile, the most high profile one recently, is ABA Blueprint which is sort of a, well you explain it. Tell me what it is.
Chad Burton: Sure. So ABA Blueprint has rolled out a few months ago and it’s a standalone application that we developed for the ABA to help solo and small firm lawyers find tools to run their practice in a quick and efficient manner. So that’s been out for a few months and been off and running and going well, the other higher profile that’s out already, application we developed first and I think we talked about it on the last podcast was called LawHUB for the—
Sam Glover: Right
Chad Burton: —New York State Bar. If Blueprint is and they’re complimentary tools in the sense that ABA Blueprint is about helping lawyers that don’t have the tools to run their practice. LawHUB is really a dashboard that does three things. One is curating bar contents, so if you’re a member of The New York State Bar, the website itself kind of barfs out everything, whether it’s relevant for you or not, LawHUB, which is true, just like that’s how almost all bar associations
Sam Glover: That’s how the internet works
Chad Burton: Websites work.
Sam Glover: That’s how the front page—
Chad Burton: Yeah, exactly.
Sam Glover: Website works.
Chad Burton: Right, so we’re ruining the internet. Right, exactly. So it’s curating, so when you sign up for LawHUB, which is free for members, it asks you about your practice areas and your type of firm you work in so then the information from the bar is then curated based on that. So you only see CLE that’s relevant for you and you can go back and change that, so if you want to expand your practice and get into other areas you can go back and change it but that’s one area. It’s also integrating third party technology like CLEO, LawPay, Google Calendar, 365 Calendar, Fastcase, so you can accomplish basic
Sam Glover: Productivity dashboard.
Chad Burton: Exactly. And so you can see your payments coming in through LawPay you can enter time and for Clio, you can do fast searches for Fastcase, quick searches for it. And then the third area that is gonna be rolled out here soon is for, lack of a better label, a practice management center that has a bunch of original practice management content, and actually your aware of this cause we—
Sam Glover: Yeah.
Chad Burton: Because we have a bunch of Lawyerist links in there, so you were kind enough to help us put some content together there so it’s a, for those day-to-day quick questions that members have, they can go and check it out. We’ve got some podcasts from legal type networks that are relevant in the practice management front for solo and small firms so that’s a day to day tool that we developed for New York and actually a couple weeks ago we acquired the rights for the LawHUB from New York, we Curo, and so we are going to continue developing—
Sam Glover: So that’s what I was wondering, so is the idea that these are white label software that you can sell to other bar associations, or offer them as partnerships and stuff like that?
Chad Burton: Yeah, absolutely and so that’s what we’re looking at, with other bars and organizations to get it in their hands.
Sam Glover: Well and I have to say, for anyone who’s listening whether your from bar association or anybody else that might be interested. You guys build beautiful software, these web apps are—
Chad Burton: Thank you.
Sam Glover: They’re very attractive, they’re very modern. They move well, they’re fast. You guys are good at this and I’m curious, where is the work being done, where are you getting this development done?
Chad Burton: We have our own desk team, it’s not me that’s for sure. Based on the topic of the podcast—
Sam Glover: What we’re going to talk about is, how you lack the tools—
Chad Burton: That’s right, I personally am incapable of doing it. Yeah, we have, actually our development team is in Portland, Maine so—
Sam Glover: Gotcha.
Chad Burton: Yeah so we have a full team there.
Sam Glover: And then, who is responsible for managing those development projects because whoever it is is pretty good at what they do form what I can tell from the outside.
Chad Burton: Right. Well it depends on which part of it, it’s a higher level, that’s me and then the, and if she was on the air with us and if it was, it was actually about executing, getting things done, that would be Nicole.
Sam Glover: Gotcha. Nicole Bradick who’s also been on our podcast.
Chad Burton: Yes.
Sam Glover: Cool.
Chad Burton: Yes, exactly. She would take credit for being responsible for actual execution. Which is true.
Sam Glover: And so now I’m gonna change gears and announce that this is our very first podcast recorded with somebody who is using the new Apple AirPods, which you’ve been talking into this whole time, so how do you like them? This is our first chance to do a review of AirPods.
Chad Burton: Awesome, and hopefully they keep working because that’d be tragic if they didn’t. Right in the middle.
Sam Glover: But people want to know, are they any good? Do you love them? Are you ever going back?
Chad Burton: I love them and I won’t go back. I’ve traveled a couple times with them and I’ll bring my old ones just in case something happens but or the regular cord, earpods or whatever they’re called. But yeah, I’ve had them since the first shipment came out and yeah they’re great, they work well. The battery charges quickly. Probably the thing I like about them most is how I would have this, just as we were talking about today with my primary device being, my phone. I have these in all the time and with the earpods, the old ones, probably about five times a day I would catch the cord on something and rip them out of my ears or the phone out of my hands and I pace around when I talk on the phone and think about things so they’ve been good. I haven’t really had any problems with them. There was a little software bug in the first ones that they would cut out briefly but they seem to have fixed that recently with an update.
Sam Glover: So I’m giving your recommendation a lot of weight because what we are gonna to talk about today is that currently you basically get by with a notepad and an iPhone. But before we start going into detail on that, let me just back up and tell the listeners, so ever since I’ve known you, and I think we finally met at the very first Clio Cloud Conference at that cool jazz hotel that they did the first one at, right?
Chad Burton: Oh that’s right, yep. I forgot about that.
Sam Glover: And I think at the time, you had ditched your computer for the most part for an iPad mini I think. So ever since I’ve known you, you’ve been trying to use as little technology as possible and automate as much as possible. So, I’m inferring that you’re really motivated to ditch your computer. Why do you hate computers so much?
Chad Burton: It’s not that I hate them, I like Macs quite a bit. But I like the minimal nature of not having a lot things in general but also when I was practicing law and that carried over into our business motto with Curo, it’s a very mobile practice. I worked on the go, wanted to make sure that I could do the same work if I’m traveling somewhere that I could in an office. So I wanted to be able to flip and walk out the door and not have to worry about trying to replicate work or not have access to things. And so I used to be all Mac and then the iPad came out and got the first version of that and it wasn’t there yet, naturally from the standpoint of being able to work a lot on it. But as the iPad just evolved and especially the iPad Pro that came out, I think a year and a half ago or so. The larger one.
Sam Glover: That was basically when you ditched your laptop entirely, right?
Chad Burton: Yeah, just entirely. Because at the same time, I think it was iOS 9 that would allow you to upload documents to a regular website that you couldn’t do on previous versions.
Sam Glover: Right
Chad Burton: So that was a big part of the—
Sam Glover: That was the big turning point for me too.
Chad Burton: Yeah.
Sam Glover: Because then I could actually like draft blog posts.
Chad Burton: Right, exactly you’re just gonna—
Sam Glover: Included an image—
Chad Burton: Get that content, right exactly you could drag content and apps were developing quick enough that they were either better because some of the features were preferred for me than the quote unquote regular web based ones or on a computer, and iOS fits my work style and how my brain works better than Mac OS does. And that’s what really started moving it and with the iPad Pro, you effectively, with the larger one where you could do split screen, you could have two apps next to each other, you could have your phone so you really had three screens in a way no matter where you were and so—
Sam Glover: Yeah.
Chad Burton: Really got into that and ditched the computer.
Sam Glover: So maybe this is a good point to kind of back up and talk about what kind of work you actually do. You’re not a practicing lawyer, I don’t think right now, are you?
Chad Burton: Correct. I do not.
Sam Glover: So what kind of work are you doing and which pieces of it might be analogous to what a lawyer is doing day to day?
Chad Burton: I do draft quite a bit of content, whether it’s articles, blog posts, and then not like you, but I still draft articles and things.
Sam Glover: Yeah.
Chad Burton: I handle contracts of all the deals we’ve closed and contracts involved with different deals, I handled those.
Sam Glover: Do you print much stuff?
Chad Burton: No, not unless I absolutely have to.
Sam Glover: Yep, but I mean you obviously can print things and sign them and scan them and using a phone or an iPad.
Chad Burton: Oh yeah, absolutely. If I have to print something, it’s only because it has to be printed, otherwise it stays digital.
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Sam Glover: I know a lawyer who has a very traditional litigation practice who almost never sits down at a computer anymore, because the Microsoft Word app is awesome.
Chad Burton: Oh yeah.
Sam Glover: And you can’t really do sophisticated styles on it which drives me crazy, but you can get around it and it works and he has a Bluetooth keyboard and he just takes his iPad around and that’s how he drafts appellate briefs and—
Chad Burton: Right.
Sam Glover: Summary judgment memorandum so it’s obviously possible to just go laptop-less or computer-less and use an iPad. What motivated you to drop the iPad and just go to a phone and how do you get all that work done on just a phone?
Chad Burton: I wish it was, well nothing is normal. So I was in Chicago for an ABA, for law practice division we had some reception and this was in September of 2016 and I, like an idiot, left my man purse with my iPad in it at the bar where we had this reception and just walked out without it. And so realized it later that night after got back and couldn’t get a hold of anyone and so for about 24 hours until the bar opened up the next day, it was gone and I assumed that somebody picked it up, even though it was kind of off in the corner, which is why I forgot it, I assumed it was gone.
So at this meeting all day, sitting there, still paying attention in case people are listening to this but also simultaneously, thinking like oh crap what am I going to do now, do I go buy another iPad, is this a chance to go buy the MacBook, which I really like, the newest, little thin one. Which is about the size of the larger iPad Pro. Do I go that route? Then I thought what if I just use my phone, I wonder how long I could get by with that. And so, that there that day, four o’clock comes around, we’re done with this meeting, I go over to the bar, of course they had my iPad in my bag, weirdly enough, the meatheads and other people that were at this bar otherwise didn’t want a man purse, I don’t understand why so apparently it was not their thing.
And so I got all of it back and it was fine, even the Pencil was in there, the Apple Pencil, all of it was in there. But then I was like well, okay fine. And then traveling home the next couple days I thought would just go a couple of days and just do my little experiment with my phone because when you think about the work you do and this, I didn’t mention this earlier, but think about 90% of my day is communicating and—
Sam Glover: Yep.
Chad Burton: Whether it’s using email/Hangouts, Facetime, on the phone like this, that’s most of what we do, which is also analogous to being a lawyer on the communication front and—
Sam Glover: But on that, typing my fingers are how I do most of that communication. Do you dictate just a lot or do you only do short communications or how do you communicate?
Chad Burton: I’d say all of the above. I like voice to text and so I will use the iPhone built in voice to text for quicker communications, if it makes sense. I’m still not comfortable with this whole talking to yourself in public thing, I’m just not there yet. I try to every so often if I’m in the airport but I’m like all right, fine I’m talking to Siri here even though there’s other humans around and airport connectivity is so awful that it ends up getting, “I’m sorry I’m not available” like come on I was just trying
Sam Glover: Yeah I get that too.
Chad Burton: To talk to myself, right. I was trying to go outside my comfort zone and you ruined it Siri. Go into your short messages comment, it helps if your typing it out manually, which I’m quick at on the phone, it helps condense your messages.
And then for longer form articles, I just did this with a blog post this morning, I’ll use Dragon anywhere. Which is the iOS version of Nuance’s Dragon software and that’s quite good and if you use iOS voice to text, it will cut you off after a period of time, I don’t know how it decides when to cut you off. But with Dragon, you can talk for 15 or 20 minutes and just keep going. So that’s useful. And I was doing that even when I was using an iPad and a computer because that’s how I write. So it kind of goes back to your style. Even when I was practicing law, I was better off getting out a spoken version with dictation first on a brief or whatever I was writing because I could get the thoughts out of my head as opposed to sitting there starring at the screen saying all right what’s my first sentence. I would just get it out and then I could edit it and I just kept that going over the years.
Sam Glover: Well it’s interesting, I don’t mind speech recognition works fine for me, I’ve never been much of an actual dictator, dictator but I type so fast and I like typing and I have a hard time getting my head around, thinking through what I’m writing without a keyboard. Like I can imagine if I were trying to live through an iPhone, I would probably carry around a Bluetooth keyboard and use it with my iPhone I guess.
Chad Burton: That’s funny, about a couple weeks ago I pulled out, I’ve got a couple Bluetooth keyboards that I got out for that purpose and then I just didn’t need them, I wasn’t using them. And I was just as efficient and that actually caused me to get out my iPad and okay am I screwing up efficiency time here. And really spending a little bit of time doing different tasks and I’m just as fast with my phone as I am with a keyboard and an iPad. Going to one of your comments about the organization and if you’re just using your phone that’s where I do carry around a notebook that where I’ll throw down an outline if it’s something longer, take notes on that has kind of become my second screen in a way so, that if I am drafting a longer blog post or something I’ll outline it first that way and that way I can look at that while I’m doing voice to text.
Sam Glover: Sometimes I’ll actually write the whole thing out long hand and then you reading it in voice to text is a piece of cake.
Chad Burton: Right, exactly.
Sam Glover: So, okay so everybody here does something, well anybody who owns technology has a few gripes. So, list your gripes for me. What doesn’t work about living with just an iPhone?
Chad Burton: What doesn’t—
Sam Glover: Or what do you just desperately wish Apple would change about the iPhone so that you could work more efficiently with it?
Chad Burton: I am looking forward to a kind of more robust Siri option. I’ve tested out all those, whether it’s the Google’s version, Cortana Microsoft, there’s that one Hound, I don’t know if it’s even still around it’s like a third-party Siri. I’ve tried all those, but I have an Amazon Echo thing on my desk here and I was gonna call it Alexis and then I realized it would turn it on. Even with that I’m not, again it’s like oh that’ll be a nice supplement to my phone, there’s gotta be something else and I don’t use it because the phone is doing what I need. So if we could kind of step up the, I’m looking forward to when Siri is also more proactive. Even though it already is now, in a lot of ways that maybe people don’t realize that while it doesn’t have the official Siri label on it, there’s a lot that the phone does that is where it’s learning for examples so I’ve got the feature turned on so that if I do have my AirPods in it will announce to me whose calling.
Sam Glover: Gotcha.
Chad Burton: And it will do that, even if I don’t have the contact in, it’s going in and looking at my email and saying well this is probably who it is and so there’s that, a lot of that is already happening by using the device and its learning behavior so I’m looking forward to that kind of stepping up its game even more so.
Sam Glover: Very cool. So what other things are essential to making this work for you? I mean I know you were big on Fancy Hands before which is kind of a one at a time, outsourcing service that will, you can ask the Fancy Hands to go buy flowers for your wife or book a hotel for you or all kinds of other things. What other services or apps are essential for you to function with just your iPhone?
Chad Burton: So I have many issues but one of them is that I kind of bounce between apps trying to find that best solution that’s out there and I’m one of those people that will leave six or seven email apps in a folder on the second or third screen on the phone and wait for that update to come through. And like, oh finally now I’m gonna use this again and actually this past weekend, I found the ultimate nerd thing but I decided to wipe my phone clean and start over because I felt like it was—
Sam Glover: I do that sometimes too.
Chad Burton: Do you? Okay so I’m not the only one, okay good.
Sam Glover: No I totally do that.
Chad Burton: Because the native Apple apps are really good, they actually do what I need and I just get sucked into these other third party types of apps and so I decided this weekend I was like screw it I’m just gonna delete everything off the phone and I went through the list of previously downloaded apps and was really critical of do I really need this one and down to things like do I need the extra weather apps or is what’s on the phone good enough and it is so I’m gonna use that. And so I really tend to minimize that and so I’m looking at my phone home screen right now and it has the default calendar, mail, notes, I’m trying to not be as gross so I’m using the Lose It app so that’s sitting there. Some social media apps, but I guess the one thing if you’re going device only you still have to handle the paper side of things.
Sam Glover: Yep.
Chad Burton: And so with my notebook, if I want to digitize some of those notes, I’m using Evernote for awhile and they rolled out the new, redesigned iOS version and it was still really slow for me and so I got rid of that.
Sam Glover: It’s like, it’s gotten worse somehow.
Chad Burton: It has.
Sam Glover: I’m so devoted to Evernote but the new redesign crashes all the time, it’s slow. So what are you using instead?
Chad Burton: I’m just using regular notes, I’m using Scanner Pro.
Sam Glover: Yep.
Chad Burton: And so I use that and then I have a couple little, I don’t know whatever they label ways to automate so if its receipts, I’ve got certain automations for that and different things to upload to Google Drive, which is what we use at Curo and I’ve got my Scans app still so if it’s something larger I can just scan directly onto the phone but other than that, I’m just using the dictation app, the Dragon Anywhere that’s really got me covered at this point.
Sam Glover: Wow, so you’re both minimal in the sense of not using a computer or iPad and minimal in the sense of what you actually put on your phone. So, be honest, when’s the last time you used a computer?
Chad Burton: I used a computer, down in Miami for ABA Midyear. I had to use a computer, what was that for? Oh for a presentation. It was for a presentation, I was—
Sam Glover: Oh to actually give your presentation.
Chad Burton: It was part of the presentation was showing Blueprint and LawHUB which are both web based applications and showing those live as part of a center for innovation presentation and I would normally just plug my phone in and then I can use my watch to control the slide deck, if I’m gonna do it. It’s great, I know. But there’s another layer of problems there. But because I was effectively downloading those, or actually showing them live, I needed to use a computer so not only was it not a Mac, it was a PC so I felt like I was trying to learn a foreign language again, it was like trying to learn Spanish from back in undergrad and trying to figure out like how do I even log in.
Sam Glover: I feel like I’m gonna give you a pass on this one because you weren’t actually using it to do anything yourself and you were just, yeah. So I think I’m gonna give you a pass on that. When’s the last time you used an iPad?
Chad Burton: Besides the screwing around with it a couple weeks ago, it was probably a month and a half ago and you may give me a pass on this one too because I was doing a webinar, which ABA has BeaconLive in their slide tool and I had to call in with my phone and so I was debating whether to just use my phone to adjust the slides, I tried it and I could do it but I decided I would be a real jerk if all of a sudden my phone crashed and I was disconnected both on the slides and my phone just for trying to do the experiment.
Sam Glover: Yeah.
Chad Burton: So I got out my iPad, I was like yeah that would be kind of jerky, like why’d you disappear during it? Oh I was just using my phone and that’s why it happened. Sorry.
Sam Glover: Okay so you are legitimately living the computer-less life.
Chad Burton: So September when I ditched it, I even tried, gosh when was it, it was probably back in, it was right after I tried this and started doing this in early October I needed a deal with a large spreadsheet and I had had Fancy Hands convert some PDFs into spreadsheets and I needed that deal with those but I was experimenting between the iPad and my iPhone and it wasn’t overly complicated so I just ended up doing it on my phone, or I tried but I didn’t need to.
Sam Glover: Well, Chad Burton, thank you for visiting us from the future.
Chad Burton: That’s right, I’ll have to get back in my DeLorean.
Sam Glover: How to live the life without computers.
Chad Burton: That’s right.
Sam Glover: Climb back into your time machine and I hope to talk to you at some point in the future
Chad Burton: Sounds good, thanks Sam.
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